Battlestar Galactica

XMEN Ashaman DTM · Post by **XMEN Ashaman DTM** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:03 am

I can see her getting killed off.

I don't think it would happen in a showdown between Galactica and Pegasus.

And with the crew being as demented as they are on the Pegasus, they can't exactly be kept around, unless that's a plot element that the writers want to develop. but that seems like it would be too much work. It doesn't have to mesh with the old storyline, but to keep Pegasus around, would be a bit of a hurdle.

What I'm wondering is where Pegasus got their ammo and spares from if they were scheduled to go into the shipyards for repairs and refit. I would think they'd be using spares up at a faster pace if the ship was scheduled for service. I would also think that if they'd been doing hit and runs since the Cylon attacks, that they'd have exhausted their weapons. Even stopping by at an ammo dump would prove to be a chore. Galactica got lucky that they made it to Ragnar station, where the Cylons couldn't exactly follow them very easily.

Makes you think.

TsN|Wildchild|xmen · Post by **TsN|Wildchild|xmen** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:57 am

I apparently missed that episode where Galactica did that.

On the Pegasus needing a refit. Who were they ar war with before the Cylons attacked? Anyone? Why would they even have needed to restore arms and armorment in the first place? They gave no hint that the 12 Colonies were at war with anyone. So the reason behind these huge ships and a mass of fighters were questionable to me in the beginning. If they said they were defending against someone then I missed it, but that is my thought.

I am not sure they will kill the Admiral off. As you said they can't really integrate the Pegasus crew in with the fleet (which I thought was real funny that the Admiral welcomed Adama and the rest back to the Colonial Fleet, even though they were only one ship.) as they are nearly outsiders to the Galactica crew. The Pegasus crew is like the civilians are to Galactica, a totally different level of intensity. Galactica's crew are there to protect, they are there for a reason. The crew of the Pegasus, whether at the behest of the Admiral or just having got the space hebbie jebbies from knowing they have no home, seem to be there for the fun of it. The fourth tour in 'nam type of soldiers. They are there because they like it type of attitude, which will not mess at all with Galactia.

I can see a huge fight between the two, lives lost on both sides, the prisoners rescuded (perhaps) and then a Cylon attack in the middle of it making everyone jump. The fleet and galactica jumping one place, and Pegasus jumping elsewhere. I could see a nice store with displaced troops from both sides stuck on a ship they don't know. That of course is regardless whether the Admiral is a Cylon, which I think would still be the greatest F'U' to the humans.

TimberWolf · Post by **TimberWolf** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:52 am

Pegasus refit: even when a nation is not at war they try to maintain their ships and upgrade them on a regular basis. Ammo goes bad over the years so it needs to either be fired off in a training exersize or blown up in a explosive training for new cadets. These ships are maintained because they know there is a threat out there, the Cylons, that is bent on destroying them. The only catch is the Cylons started with the same things the Colonies had.

When the admiral said welcome back to the fleet, that was definatly a red light about something in the story plot. The end of the last episode was both Battlestars launching alert fighters. If you watch the imagery you would have seen that the entire fleet was behing Galactica while there was nothing behind Pegasus. I think the President will try and step in but Admiral Cain won't listen.

TsN|Wildchild|xmen · Post by **TsN|Wildchild|xmen** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:47 pm

I understand the concept of a refit. I was in the military. However, the view on the Cylons according to everyone at that point, except Adama of course, was they were a bunch of hulking toasters and hadn't been seen in years. They was no fear of them at all so to be on such a high guard for this entire time seems stretching reality some.

I know the President will back Adama 100%, unless she has another vision and it involves the Pegasus or the Admiral. Who can say, they have changed enough of the original story that it is anyones guess right now.

But I 'will' agree with you on the reality of a refit and why they were there and ask this qusetion. Ok, now they are raiding Cylon convoys (and bases?) How would they be able to refit their ammunition stores from Cylon stores? They are not the same are they? They don't seem the same when fired and they never really go into specifics about the difference, now that they have a Cylon ship and all.

TimberWolf · Post by **TimberWolf** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:05 pm

When the Galactica had the Raider, Starbuck asked about the ammo. The Chief said that it looked like it would use the standard rounds from the Vipers and then they later tested it. So they do use the same ammo, I think the color differences come mainly from the chemicals they use as explosives to fire them.

It was asked about how many Vipers Galactica had. Here is what the main site says:

Vipers in service: 12
Down for repairs: 23
Pilots on Duty: 21
Trainees: 5
... As of Log 110

This info came from: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/ships/

Also the site says the Galactica is a 50 year old ship designed and built for destroying Cylons as one of the original 12 Battlestars. It was also in the middle of being retired so its abilities are greatly reduced which lends to hits hardship in protecting the fleet. Looking at it is appears to be missiong a lot of armor plating. I get this idea from all the exposed ribs while other sections are almost smooth with plating. The Pegasus, being a newer ship, would be able to out porfom the Galactica even when it is at top operating condition. Trying to compair the two ships is like compairing a Corvet class ship to a Battleship. One can monuver better than the other and has a faster speed but can't go toe to toe.

I don't remember anyone saying that the Colonial fleet were on alart for anything. The Battlestars opperate as border patrols, space police, emergency aid plateforms, ect. It is a lot like our military, We are not on high alart most of the time but we do maintain an active military force that is ready to fight at a moments notice. I maybe wrong, but by the way the Admeral describe the docks most of the fleet was at rest. She said several Battlestars were destroying in their bays on the first wave. I interpret this as that the Colonial fleet was cought with their "pants" down. But I could be wrong.

TsN|Wildchild|xmen · Post by **TsN|Wildchild|xmen** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:17 pm

No you are probably right. It would be nice to know if they had information regarding the Pegasus on that site as well. Regarding their crew/ship ratio as well as on board ordinance.

The fact they they can use the Cylon ammunition with little or no alteration seems to convienent for me, but hey it is Sci-fi after all. The channel that got rid of Farscape to only produce a series of stupid and time wasteful mini series movies. But hey thats just me. I'm still pissed that Space: Above and Beyond was canceled.

Post by **XMEN Gambit** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:22 pm

The channel that got rid of Farscape to only produce a series of stupid and time wasteful mini series movies. But hey thats just me. I'm still pissed that Space: Above and Beyond was canceled.The channel that got rid of Farscape to only produce a series of stupid and time wasteful mini series movies. But hey thats just me. I'm still pissed that Space: Above and Beyond was canceled.

Yup.

I hate those stupid b-movies on sci-fi. And I'm being generous with my categorization... SAAB had great potential, too.

TsN|Wildchild|xmen · Post by **TsN|Wildchild|xmen** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:24 pm

It quoted me twice...

Post by **XMEN Gambit** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:45 pm

No, that was me. Sorry.

XMENPorsche · Post by **XMENPorsche** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:53 pm

TW - I was starting to wonder about the number of Vipers available. It seems that they always lose one or two whenever they skimish against the Cylons, yet it seems that there are dozens pouring out of the launch bays during the next battle.

As for the condition of the Galactica, maybe that was the way that they built them 50 years ago. It took a direct hit from a nuke in the miniseries and seemed to suffer very little real damage.

I want to know how they repaired the water storage tanks. They had explosions in something like 3 or 4 of them and the holes they left were huge! Is there some sort of ship in the fleet that is capable of producing armor plating?

Post by **XMEN Gambit** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:18 pm

There are mining and foundry ships among the fleet, so I suppose they could provide plating. The sci-fi channel website lists most of the ships in the fleet and what they do.

XMENPorsche · Post by **XMENPorsche** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:44 pm

I wish I they would do a rundown on the Pegasus. I'd love to know what that bad-boy is capable of.

Speaking of the Pegasus, I don't buy Admiral Cain's explanation of how they got away. I don't think Adama does, either. All of the other ships in the fleet were disabled because of the back-door built into Baltar's CNP program. Pegasus should have been affected, too. I wonder why they weren't.

TimberWolf · Post by **TimberWolf** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:19 pm

I can only guess that either the Cylons let them go in hopes of getting more infiltrators into the fleet, for practice, or the main computers were shut down before the fight began so the back-door was never used and that it still can be used on their ships.

Post by **XMEN Gambit** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:06 pm

MMmm, perhaps it didn't have Baltar's stuff on it yet, because it was just coming back for the refit? Just searching for a reasonable explanation.

I myself don't trust that part of her story either.

TsN|Wildchild|xmen · Post by **TsN|Wildchild|xmen** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:43 am

Told ya... she is hiding something that is for sure. What that is, I don't know yet but I told my wife as soon as I saw her that I don't trust her.

I honestly can not come up with a reasonable explanation as to why she could be a Cylon, unless she is like Boomer and didn't know it yet is compelled to act against her will, or not knowing she is doing it. So business as usual until she is needed.

Who knows, maybe she is like Boomer in that she is a turned Cylon? She saw the err of their ways and wish to help the humans perhaps? Who knows. SciFi and they ain't telling.